of course they were not concerned about your husband sinning by getting drunk, there is an apostate to get...
much bigger fish
Oz
we've missed some meetings due to work and thinking it's bs and also one night my husband got drunk n fessed up n had a shepherding call n now the e is coming to see 'how we're doing'.
help me please i dunno what to do..
of course they were not concerned about your husband sinning by getting drunk, there is an apostate to get...
much bigger fish
Oz
whenever i went to my judicial committee (over 3 years ago), the elders opened with a prayer for jehbooboo's guidance.
then they followed up with their loyalty question, "do you believe in the faithful and discreet slave?".
of course i answered "no", and shortly thereafter i handed over my disassociation letter.
Mine was for adultery, diliberate and planned, it was a full 2 years after leaving the wife and religion. I knew i was never going back to either and that was why i did it.
The JC was with 3 elders, one a sort of mentor, one a pretty good friend that i had worked for and the other i cant remember...must have been the token 3rd guy. There was the prayer of course and a couple of scriptures about hurting god and repentance, which is when it went south for them.
I just said I'm not sorry, I dont feel i have hurt 'jehovah', in fact he couldn't care less about me. I prayed, i creid, i studied i explained...nothing. he does not care. I do not want to be a christian anymore.
Obviously there were no loyalty questions. Their biggest problem was that they didnt want to DF me and kept asking ME what THEY should do! I just said DF, i would.
and that was that. I left, drove home saying 'oh. well, thats that, god will kill me at armageddon...and i'll give him the finger while he does"
I did remain an apologist for another 10 years though...
Oz
"well osts, satan, through adam challenged god's right to rule......so god had to let it play out to show that he really should be the one ruling mankind.
both the angels and humans needed to see this.
me - why couldn't god have allowed adam's children to remain perfect?
The more i looked at the universe, the BIGGER it got!
the bigger it got, the more i realized that the fate of the WHOLE Universe resting on the events on this planet, so small that it becomes invisible in the cosmos, was just utter cave man thinking that the sun moon and earth were all there was in the universe.
The bible stayed stuck in time while science evolved
This was truly a case of science doing its job
Oz
that's right, a knife and a baby in close proximity.... .
http://www.jw.org/assets/m/ijw13fr/502013178/ijw13fr_id-502013178_e/502013178_e_cnt_1.pdf.
anything goes, so long as you're proving how "wise" king solomon was.. .
no join the dots of
jesus feeding people?
healing a leper?
throwing out money changers?
I found their whiteboard animantions pretty bad too...especialy the one about bullys...thay had the nerve to call being excluded (with a big shun hand) bullying yet do it themselves every day.
they are goddamn wicked
oz
i saw this on yahoo answers and wondered about your reaction to it.. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=asztevcfhe4rumq8w.94glxq1kix;_ylv=3?qid=20130226115907aalqjsp.
here are some of your deceptive doctrines:.
russell was a freemason & pyramidologist.
Seeing that changename has not seen fit to return to his thread, i would declare:
''I saw this on Yahoo Answers and wondered about your reaction to it''.
To be bullshit, he is not wondering about our reaction at all...
oz
if the informaiton i am posting is redundant or has been posted, please forgive me.. i know we are all at different stages of this journey.
for me i am still "in" but working towards being out and leaving.
any one in this position or who has been here knows how diffucult of a time this can be.
saved to print it.
would make an interesting topic of conversation if they ever call on me again after the one...
oz
hello all.. my name is dteve and i live in the uk.
i hope i can make genuine friends here and not pretend friends.....like that among jw's.. i left, went back, and have left again, but this time it is for good.
so i tried to work things out, but she carried on.
welcome Steve
Is it not ironic that you mention you think it may be decades away and you are tagged apostate while the WT says the same thing by pretty much taking the foot off the acelerator in talking about armageddon like they used to and stretching out the generation...
oz
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If he aims to retrace the steps of version one then he really has to find an iceberg to hit does he not?
Oz
hmmm.... how many of you, in the process of waking up, got really angry with websites like jwfacts.com etc.. etc... even calling them slanders etc?
i think all of you are doing a great job, keep it on guys!.
Not angry with any ex jw site, just dumbfounded.
for months, every day, i would be like "no way!", "can't be"
Never got angry at any ex JW sites, but i did get angry about the WT and JWs
Oz
back in 1973, when i was just a pre-teen, i remember that meetings in general were chock full of persecution talks, great tribulation talks and armageddon talks.
so much so, that there was a hightened sense of anticipation that the end was really just a few years away.
most j-dubs really believed, without any doubt, that freddy's estimation about armageddon in 1975 was a certainty (give or take a few months... not years).
I remember it well too, I was 13 in 1975. We buried a stack of bibles and watchtowers under the floor of the shed, ready to collect in the dark of night drom some forest hideaway. Persecution was all the talk.
these days its a case of dont mention and after a few years no JW will even remember. With one of the highest revolving door memberships of any religion, that wont take too long.
Oz